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The future (and survival) of the DMO

If your org still exists in five years, this is how.

The argument

The show's longest-running argument — whether DMOs as they're currently structured can survive the combined pressure of AI-powered travel planning, fraying funding models, and resident pushback. We've titled episodes *"Are DMOs Doomed?"*, *"What Happens to DMOs When Everything Changes?"*, *"Is This the Beginning of the End for DMOs?"* — none of them rhetorically. The argument isn't whether destination marketing survives. It's whether the *organization* survives in its current shape, with its current funding, serving its current stakeholders.

Episode count 20+ episodes
Anchor episodes Ep 1 · Ep 19 · Ep 26 · Ep 27 · Ep 44 · Ep 56 · Ep 73
Episodes in this pillar

8 recent episodes.

EP 076 · APR 9, 2026

Are We Treating AI Like Google Instead of a Co-Worker?

C.A. Clark returns. The gap between what AI can do and how most people use it is now the biggest risk in the industry.

EP 075 · APR 2, 2026

Has Destination Marketing Been Gentrified?

Madden Media's Matt Stiker and Katy Livingston on why every destination is starting to look, sound, and market itself the same way.

EP 073 · MAR 19, 2026

Are DMOs Facing an Identity Crisis?

Christian Mengel joins live from an airport with three 2026 predictions — and one uncomfortable question about what a DMO is actually for.

EP 072 · MAR 12, 2026

Should DMOs Be Responsible for Visitor Safety?

Jason Holic of Experience Kissimmee on the water-safety work his team has taken on — and whether stewardship is the DMO's job or someone else's.

EP 071 · MAR 5, 2026

Are You Committing the Three Deadly Sins of Board Governance?

Bill Geist on the three board-governance failures hiding underneath most DMO problems — and how to fix each one.

EP 001 · OCT 3, 2024

Will AI Destroy the DMO?

The inaugural episode. The industry's existential question, asked without a safety net. Everything the show does forward builds on this premise.

EP 026 · APR 10, 2025

What Happens to DMOs When Everything Changes?

A solo, therapy-style episode Stuart opens up in. Widely cited by guests in later episodes as the moment the show earned its reputation.

EP 050 · OCT 23, 2025

How Have Our Views Changed After 50 Episodes?

Adam and Stuart revisit their biggest mind-changes. A rare look at hosts willing to be wrong on the record.

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